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Q: Let's talk about the victims. What do you think has caused you to feel the way you do today?

It takes the Spirit of God to produce empathy -- a capacity for experiencing the feelings and thoughts of others. In 1974, the book Helter Skelter arrived at the prison library. As I read about Wilfred Parent going to the morgue to identify his son Steve and returning home, his wife in hysterics, both putting their three kids in bed with them, holding each other and crying themselves to sleep, I broke. I could've turned to a psychiatrist or to drugs with the pain, but the Lord had Christians coming from all directions to reach out to me. They didn't know what was troubling me, but God did, and He sent them to comfort me. They knew that I needed Christ, and it wasn't long before I would surrender my all to Him.

God gives hope, even though we don't deserve it. God never stopped loving me, nor did the body of Christ. As a result, in May 1975, I asked Jesus Christ into my life. He began to show me the true reality of my gruesome, disgusting crime, and the devastating pain of my victims. My sin caused unbearable pain.

Q: What did the Lord show you about your victims?

One thing really stands out, but He didn't show it to me all at once. The empathy I've developed over the years didn't come in a flash. The Lord began to show me that every life -- man, woman, or child is made in the image of God and is of enormous value in His eyes. This thought was entirely missing at the time of my crime, even though my mother had tried to teach me to live for others.

It takes God to show a person the value of life. I know many people who are clueless about the pain they've caused because they haven't admitted their own pain; instead, they medicate it daily with drugs, sex, and the like. I was concerned that I didn't know how to feel about my victims' deep pain and knew I needed help. I began to see that as my view of God changed, my view of my victims changed.

Q: Can you elaborate on the difference in the way you felt about your victims at the time of the crime and the way you feel today?

I think I've already shared how I felt at the time of the crime. We talked about my selfishness and lack of feelings, the false belief system, cult mentality, drugs, and even the music. This rebellious lifestyle developed into a sort of "us and them" syndrome. Our victims had become our enemies, even though we didn't know them. It was what they had become in our minds as a result of Manson's constant programming and mind control.

I think you know how I feel today. I have tried to put myself in the shoes of my victims and their families. I could never do this entirely, but over the years, I've grown willing to go there in my thoughts and feelings. It's not easy, but I must be willing to look at what I've done in its fullness. By faith, I have placed it on the cross of Calvary where Christ died for my sin, pain and sorrow, so that I could be healed.

Q: You mentioned earlier that you don't beat yourself up with guilt, but some people think they should. What do you say about this?

If anyone should beat themselves up, I should. I've learned, though, that it doesn't pay, but instead, makes things worse. It's not that I haven't struggled with it tremendously. But guilt robs a person of their future, and as long as we stay in chains to it, we'll go nowhere. God, in His mercy, has given me a future.

I've come to understand that Christ came to free us of our guilt. Don't get me wrong, I am guilty of my crime, and I am ashamed of what I did, but to wallow in guilt would only create another victim. Christ took our guilt and gave us freedom from the hold our past has on us.

Q: How do you think your crimes have impacted your victims and their families?

I took my victims' most precious possession -- life itself. I caused tremendous anguish, distress and suffering. I took their dreams, visions for life and careers. I took their very breath, and I gave them a grave. I took the love of their families' hearts, their pride and joy. It was a total heartbreak. I took a lifetime of experiences from both the victims and their families; hugs and kisses, childhoods, school and graduations, marriages and children, vacations, and family reunions. I replaced all these joys of life with funerals, loss and unbearable grief.

I ripped families apart; moms and dads from their sons and daughters, husbands and wives from one another, brothers from sisters, and vice versa. In reality, my crime has tentacles that have spread throughout society and affected the lives of hundreds, or thousands, possibly millions of people. What impact has my crime had? It has had a devastating impact. It was an absolute tragedy. And to this day, it is still making an impact.

Q: If you had the opportunity to say something to the victims and their families, what would you say?

I apologize for taking the lives of their loved ones, for their agony, and the grief I have caused. There is no excuse, no blame, no minimizing and no denial of guilt. The pain I have caused is enormous. Nothing I can say can take the pain away. It was my selfishness, my rebellious anger and total disregard for human life. What hurts most is the thought that their family members would be alive today if not for me. This is hard to live with because of the love and concern I now have for others.

Undeservedly, I have some good days even in prison, but for them, what I've done is unforgettable. I have devastated their lives. I am so deeply sorry for the enormous amount of pain that continues to this day in the lives of the families of my victims. If anyone deserved the death penalty for their crime, it was me. But I didn't get off scot-free. I remember daily that I took the lives of Abigail Folger and Sharon Tate. My deepest sorrow is with their families, and with the families of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, Jay Sebring, Voytek Frykowski and Steve Parent. My name is marked for life, a mark that only God can erase. I hesitate to ask for the forgiveness of anyone else. What I have done is humanly impossible to forgive.

My desire is for my apology to be more than words. I live with remorse and shame on a daily basis. I desire to show my victims' families that I am sorry by the life I live now. I know it doesn't seem fair that I go on living and their family members don't. God has changed my life. My life is a testimony that change is possible. I know that may be hard to accept, but many have found hope, saying, "If your life can change, mine can too!" So, I'm taking every opportunity to help others get in touch with their feelings concerning the impact their sin has had on their victims and themselves. This way, there will be fewer victims in the future.

Q: You say the crime has tentacles that have spread throughout society. Can you explain?

The very name "Manson" strikes fear in the hearts of mankind. It has been said that people worry about him somehow getting to them like they worry about getting some disease.

The murders seem to have taken on a life of their own. Our society seems fascinated with murder, but the horror of these crimes made it very easy to take them personally. They shocked the conscience of America, and fear began to exude its control. Students who were not even alive at the time, study the murders. The rock group Marilyn Manson took on Manson's name and as a result, they've spread the Manson madness into the hearts and lives of millions. He actually burns crosses at his rock concerts.

I don't know many people who haven't heard of these murders. Fear quickly spread throughout Los Angeles and the country. ABC's Diane Sawyer said recently that the murders ended the decade of love and changed the heart of America. These crimes were strange and bizarre and these are the pictures that have affected the minds of the people. Others, such as the Satanists and the neo-Nazi skinheads, are fascinated with Manson, even taking up his cause. It really saddens me to see the negative aspects I have helped perpetuate in our society.

Q: Do you think it angers the families of your victims to see you prospering, in a sense, while their family members are in their graves?

Some are angry, and I understand. Others are proud of my changed life. I apologize for the agony I have caused them! The only thing I can't be sorry for is what the Lord has done to change my life. I truly don't deserve His goodness.

I don't know why the death penalty was abolished in 1972. It doesn't seem too cruel or unusual for what I did. Some call it a fluke in the law, but I believe God had another purpose for my life. We need examples of God's forgiveness and grace in these days and times. I've seen many come to Christ as a result of His testimony through my life. I've even seen people who were angry at me get saved by what God has done. The Scripture says, "God deliberately chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise" (I Corinthians 1:27 NLT).

Q: It's pretty widely known that resentment and anger have a negative effect on people. Do you agree?

Yes I do. If we allow our hearts and minds to be taken over by resentment and anger, it can only have a harmful physical effect. This is known as a psycho-somatic illness. The psyche is the mind, which has an effect on the soma -- the body. The Scriptures counsel us not to allow a root of bitterness to grow, or we will be corrupted by its poison, and in turn poison many others.

Victims can easily justify allowing bitterness to grow. They have been hurt tremendously and anger is a natural response of the vindictive nature of mankind. But this does not help or make it right. It will cause can-cerous disease and create another victim. The devil is on the loose, and the only thing that can stop his destruc-tive victim mentality is God's grace and forgiveness.

Q: Has your family been harassed by those who don't forgive?

Yes, they have. Their feelings are understandable, but my family doesn't deserve it, because I am the one who hurt my victims. They think by hurting my family, they hurt me. It does hurt, but God has given me much grace and made me sensitive to my victims' suffering. I'm reaping the consequences of my sin.

My parents and siblings were disgraced by my crime. My Dad painted over the "Watson" name on his store. He went to his grave with the shame of my life, and all of my family members live with it. They have suffered enough and could not have survived without God's strength.

Q: How do you personally handle these "attacks"?

I've learned not to give it place in my mind. And when I do, I pray for those who make false accusations and for those who profit from the sensationalism -- those who create the news. It's good to see some of the news media apologizing for the stories they've made up.

I just don't pay it any attention. I'm too busy doing with my life what God would have me do, in a positive direction. I feel if I were to stop, get side tracked and give the enemy place, I'd be out of God's will.

I do my best to do everything as forthright and honest as possible. I'm a firm believer that we reap what we sow. I leave my enemies and their misdeeds to God. There will always be people who slander the Watson name. Some stumble into our lives only to receive Christ, so overall I see these attacks as a good thing.

Q: Have you tried to make contact with the families of the victims?

My gut feeling is that most of them just don't want to hear from me. I don't want to cause them more grief and distress. I think about the families always and pray for their healing, and that the doors will be opened to make contact.

Some of the victims' family members have come to my parole hearings over the years, but this is a very high-stress climate with the purpose of angrily demanding that I not be released. I believe it does more harm to the victim than it does to me. I do feel somewhat intimidated and very ashamed during those times. It's also very hard for me to share my heart, and have meaningful dialogue with my victims in that atmosphere.

I feel the families have been persuaded that they need to vent their anger in order to be healed. This may help, but only God, with His amazing grace, can heal an angry heart. God understands the angry heart and desires to wrap His loving arms around them. I had an opportunity to wrap my arms around a victim's family member, and I know the loving feeling.

Q: You mean some of the victims' families have forgiven you for what you've done?

Yes, some have, but I can't divulge who all of them are for fear that they'd be persecuted. To forgive is not a popular thing to do within some families and has caused great division.

In society today, there are two kinds of victim mentality - good and bad. Good, if you angrily demand justice, and bad, if you forgive.

This is the case with Suzan. She forgave me for killing her parents. The act had a healing effect upon her, but after it was made known, she and her children were harassed and persecuted.

Q: Tell me about Suzan, how was it that she came to forgive you?

Only Christ can make the miracle of forgiveness possible. Suzan says she never allowed others to cast her into the role of "victim," rather, she chose to remain open-minded. She became a Christian in 1986 and was called into the prison ministry for a short time. She wrote me for a year without my knowing who she was. She eventually came all the way from New Mexico to visit me -- eight months pregnant. While on the visit she shared with me who her mother and stepfather were -- she was there to forgive me.

At first, I didn't believe her, but as she shared how she had come home and found her parents' bodies, her identity was evident. We'd have many more visits, sharing many close times in the healing process.

I've seen how her children have grown up without grandparents and the hole that was left in their childhoods. Their lives were shattered. The more I've allowed myself to look through the eyes of my victims, the greater my remorse.

Q: What would you say to the victims' families, who have not forgiven you?

I think I've already said what I wanted to say. I just pray they will receive God's grace to forgive me; not for my sake, but for their own healing. It doesn't erase their memory of what took place, but it can heal the bitterness that resides as a result of my offense.

I pray that God will do more miracles like He did with Suzan and I. As God puts it together, more families will contact me, so that greater healing can take place. God sent Jesus Christ not only to reconcile us to Himself, but us to one another. I pray to have more experiences like Suzan and I had that day in the visiting room.

Q: In what way do you feel victims and their families can be involved with offenders in a positive way?

The victims may not be able to be directly involved with the offender except by correspondence and phone calls. In some states, there are programs set up for victim/offender reconciliation, but in most states this is not a high priority or even encouraged. A person can contact Justice Fellowship, founded by Chuck Colson, Prison Fellowship Ministries. They provide a pathway for reconciliation and restoration between the victim and the offender. In some states, the Department of Corrections offers victim/offender groups. The victims wouldn't be involved directly with their offenders, but would be able to share their pain and grief with other offenders. This is a positive way for both the victims and the offenders to benefit.

Q: What are some of the steps an offender can take to better understand the plight of victims and their families?

I've seen many offenders helped through Christian recovery groups in prison and upon parole. These groups lead a person to Christ, our Wonderful Counselor for help, honesty and eventually, victim reconciliation.

If there is a victim/offender group available, offenders should enroll in it immediately to get in touch with their victim's pain, and their own. But number one, though, is getting in touch with God's love through Christ. He gives the power to feel for another, and the ability to free all parties from the bondage of bitterness and resentment.

I believe until a person recognizes the devastating impact that they've had upon their victim, they'll continue to hurt others. And they'll continue coming back to prison, until they realize God's fervent desire to pour his love, healing and forgiveness into and through their lives.

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